Think about L2JServer future

[K4N4BS]

I know ¬¬
But, this idea should be discussed by L2j team, since this way of development can make L2jServer get bigger a bit faster, and won't lose it's fame about stability and great project.
And... Everybody, devs and community, will be happy =D

[marcose]

When i post in off-topic generates controversy, isn't?

[Zoey76]

@K4N4BS I'm totally not agree with you, I can speak for me and probably for UnAfraid too, when I say that we have committed large code contributions (hellbound/listeners/many reworks on hierarchy/sql->xml/etc) from community, so take a time to check the committed part of the forum.
What specially piss me off is that we worked a lot to change the image of L2J not giving a rat ass about community and we still get shit about it, mostly from people that left because was ignored and now come back talking about "the old way".

Do you think in the past the ones that now are developers weren't ignored?
Of course we were, hundred of contributions that never reached the necessary level to meet the SVN, what's the difference? We kept on contributing without blaming anyone about not committing our work and at some point we got "good enough" to commit our work ourselves.

I don't ignore any line of code posted, except some custom contributions like buffers in Jython, sometimes I don't post anything about them because I think UnAfraid, BiggBoss or MELERIX may have a better answer, other times because I don't have the time to manually check them and I'm hoping someone else post the first test result so I can check code wise.

Many times I post a different approach and nobody answer not even to say that the code sucks

Also (@jurchiks) you say we have more than enough time, but we have jobs, family, etc, is not like we can be here 24/7 (at some point I was like that), but I guess we all prioritize in different ways at different points of life.

Everyone on this topic at some point is right about something, just try to get those pieces together and maybe you can change something.

Zoey76

[badboy29]

Hello everyone, today i think something:

Where is going l2jserver?
The devolpers not are a dedicated devolpers (Theys have job I guess).

So, i think in rework l2jserver by 1 U$D (Just an random number) per month and get access to SVN.

Why this gonna work?
I guess (Please some admin put in this post the user count per month in the SVN) 100 Users minimun per month. So 1U$D for 100 Users.

Why not free?
If you cant pay 1 dollar per month, how you want to get an server? (A nice one )

Where are the good part?
So, whit the money per month. L2JServer can pay admins to devolp it full time (Like 8 Hours per day), and fix any bug in a moment.

Why this is better to apply?
I think, Zoey96, MERLIX, Unaffrid (L2JServer devolpers than work for free) dont gonna to live for ever then l2jserver need new devolpers and whit money its more easy to get once.


And an demo version for students (Not fully working, just an java part).

That is just an idea (Crazy One) for L2JServer Devolpers.

I agree 100% with this.

[K4N4BS]

Zoey, forget the "Dev Team doesn't commit community things", since it was a "Talk to Nothing"...
Read what i said about the way of development, three types of version (Stable, Testing and Unstable),
What do you think about that? I know you are an good coder, really, i like your work (BigBoss, Unafraid too) but,
I don't see any activity of "the great ones" (JIV, janii, _DS_, DrHouse and others), what happen with them?

[MELERIX]

so you are talking about an ALPHA branch is needed then ? where all contributions from forum should be committed directly for test.

ok

now question is, who will check, test and manage all of them ?

the same current active devs ?

it will not work then xD

as I said before, if people want more fast development, people should help too in test and bug reports, feedback and etc.

[marcose]

so you are talking about an ALPHA branch is needed then ? where all contributions from forum should be committed directly for test.

ok

now question is, who will check, test and manage all of them ?

the same current active devs ?

it will not work then xD

as I said before, if people want more fast development, people should help too in test and bug reports, feedback and etc.

I agree, im working in something.

[K4N4BS]

Unstable -> Things from community that is in development or need superficial test.
Testing -> Things that were already checked for bugs and need deep tests.
Stable -> Fully (Really fully) working things.

I think, if community see devs interested on community work, and start commit things in unstable branch (ofc, nobody want see shitty things on unstable), all members will start test and report bugs or even help with the code...
This will improve the development quality and speed.
Dev team part will be inspect and check the testing and bug reporting, and move things from Unstable to Testing, or from Testing to Stable.

[MELERIX]

"testing" stage atm is on forum.

so, again same question...

¿ who will and could help to maintain, manage and check a total unstable branch svn manually ?

if the community even doesn't help at all in forum to test single contributions

[K4N4BS]

Community doesn't help because dev teams doesn't appear to be giving a shit for community...
That's why L2jServer is "broken", because community is waiting for dev team, and dev team is waiting for community...
Excuse me, but it isn't called "Dead Lock"?

[MELERIX]

dev teams doesn't appear to be giving a shit for community

lol, so... according to you, all the things that we are doing for L2J, and the contributions from community that now are in SVN (committed and tested by us) is nothing ?

what makes you think that ?

[K4N4BS]

dev teams doesn't appear to be giving a shit for community

what makes you think that ?

I read this forum almost every day, i have seen lots of posts from members,
40% or more of the people who want help with something, just get ignored or "You are wrong.[end]"...

[MELERIX]

what is ignored according to you ?

[K4N4BS]

Some bug reports, discussions, shares.
Just because they aren't properly write or couldn't not be finished...
Hellbound, for example, think a little, Hellbound was finished (if this can be called finished) in Freya (Or i'm wrong? I'm sorry if i am)...
Hells, Almost 4 years to be released on L2jServer?
And, we all know that Hellbound was already in Dev Svn and in some private projects (which members of l2jserver team were in)...

[MELERIX]

Some bug reports, discussions, shares.

that depend of different factors, for example if bug is reported properly, or if bug is from BETA, STABLE or a older L2J version, etc.

also you should consider that some bug require to be reproduced and that require time.

Just because they aren't properly write or couldn't not be finished...

that depend of the original author, and the feedback received.

Hellbound, for example, think a little, Hellbound was finished (if this can be called finished) in Freya (Or i'm wrong? I'm sorry if i am)...
Hells, Almost 4 years to be released on L2jServer?

if we don't have info to complete something is practically impossible to finish and commit.

may be you remember Siegable Clan Halls, it was a feature missing from C2, and was only committed and partially finished few time ago, because lack of info.

And, we all know that Hellbound was already in Dev Svn and in some private projects (which members of l2jserver team were in)...

the version from Dev-Svn was released directly in forum, then it was completed with the help of Vllight and others, and now is finished, so no idea what are you complaining about xD