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Re: THREAT!
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:00 pm
by jurchiks
Yeah yeah, whenever you don't like something it's always "omg you QQ"... Think up something original for once.
I already explained myself, still don't get it - guess it just shows something.
Edit: @Aikimaniac - you once said that my posts are useless. I know that my posts today and some yesterday have been mostly arguing, BUT I can easily find you a couple hundred posts where I'm giving advice that is really useful and recognised by the maker of the topic. But what about you? How many posts of yours are actually useful to others? I haven't seen one yet.
Re: THREAT!
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:11 pm
by momo61
Let me remind everybody here, even those who think they own this project:
L2J is an open-source project last time I checked, and when it was at it's peak, people were committing to it from all sides. Even I myself shared some things to it which also got committed. However, now that things are not going as fast as before, for whatever reason that may be, L2J has become more closed, elitist and most of the Devs are really rude (Not all). I'm sorry if the heads of the project feel offended, but that's simply how it is, and there's no other way to describe it.
We've had the public trac for many years now, and it allowed everyone to see what got fixed and changed, and it also allowed us to quickly notice bugs and errors in the codes. Yes, of course we can do it all via the SVN, but that means we have to have a project in eclipse (which I guess not everybody has). If this is how L2J is going to continue to be, then you should also remove the nightlies (oh, remember those? I used those in the very beginning to learn how the server worked).
And not only the nightlies, but maybe we'll even see some kind of "premium account" thing in the near future (remember ThePhoenixBird's April's fool joke? It was funny since everyone thought it was real).
No, I will not switch project and I will not go to L2JFree. I've been on L2J for a very long time now. So long that I even regret naming myself momo61 *lol*. And I am sure that L2J has and always will be the best and THE ORIGINAL out there!!
Stick to your core values guys and make the project open again.
Re: THREAT!
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:47 pm
by _DS_
Sources of the project still open.
If fact we can even zip latest sources, post archive, and still call self open-source project. Without trac, svn, etc.
Re: THREAT!
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:58 pm
by ThePhoenixBird
Since we disabled Trac view diff, 15% of bandwidth was saved montly.
Re: THREAT!
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:00 pm
by Aikimaniac
ThePhoenixBird wrote:Since we disabled Trac view diff, 15% of bandwidth was saved montly.
well..what about to close for anonymous both SVNs and how _DS_ wrote, only in zip
would be great saving resources which paying for is by "community" ignored..or ?
Re: THREAT!
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:42 pm
by jurchiks
ThePhoenixBird wrote:Since we disabled Trac view diff, 15% of bandwidth was saved montly.
If you want the community to learn stuff then disabling nightlies would both do that AND cut bandwidth. I don't think I need to explain why is that so.
@Aikimaniac - is it just me or it looks like you REALLY want to go closed-source?
Re: THREAT!
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:52 pm
by _DS_
We ALMOST moved to the private development only before last big update.
Re: THREAT!
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:20 pm
by ThePhoenixBird
jurchiks wrote:
If you want the community to learn stuff then disabling nightlies would both do that AND cut bandwidth.
Nightlies are helpful for the real NEW users, view diff only for LAZY developers
Anyways, this matter is under dev discussion right now you should hear something about it soon on this topic.
Re: THREAT!
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:22 pm
by Sleek
Hehe I did not want to get into this to much just want to comment last post by ThePhoenixBird
"view diff only for LAZY developers " <---- Aren't all developers lazy
? Just look at this
viewtopic.php?f=55&t=20270
Re: THREAT!
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:46 pm
by momo61
ThePhoenixBird wrote:Since we disabled Trac view diff, 15% of bandwidth was saved montly.
That is a fair argument for disabling Trac. Although, I am seriously starting to wonder where L2J is hosting it's files at ^^ NASA?
There are so many hosting companies out there that offer great unlimited bandwith and a superb connection with no cap if you download/upload too much. And all that for a really reasonable price.
Re: THREAT!
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:54 pm
by LasTravel
ThePhoenixBird wrote:jurchiks wrote:
If you want the community to learn stuff then disabling nightlies would both do that AND cut bandwidth.
Nightlies are helpful for the real NEW users, view diff only for LAZY developers
Anyways, this matter is under dev discussion right now you should hear something about it soon on this topic.
idk other users, but at least, view diffs helped me a lot when I started making my own stuff..
Re: THREAT!
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:59 pm
by ZaKaX
momo61 wrote:ThePhoenixBird wrote:Since we disabled Trac view diff, 15% of bandwidth was saved montly.
That is a fair argument for disabling Trac. Although, I am seriously starting to wonder where L2J is hosting it's files at ^^ NASA?
There are so many hosting companies out there that offer great unlimited bandwith and a superb connection with no cap if you download/upload too much. And all that for a really reasonable price.
Unlimited doesn't exist. Shared web hosting that claims to offer unlimited bandwidth will screw you up if you start sucking up too much of the server box resources. (I got owned twice.)
You gotta go for a dedicated server.
Re: THREAT!
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:22 am
by momo61
Yeah, that's what I mean. A dedicated root server. However, now I see that l2jserver.com is hosted on the root server of lineage2dreams and l2inc. Which means it's nBd's datacenter as far as I can recall. So I guess the argument about bandwith is hereby invalid?
Re: THREAT!
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:40 am
by netvirus
How can i join #l2j irc channel ?
Re: THREAT!
Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:42 am
by LasTravel
netvirus wrote:How can i join #l2j irc channel ?
http://www.l2jserver.com/wiki/index.php/IRC